Here's an email exchange between someone interested in my electromedicine products and myself about bible beliefs: Ivan: "My background is as follows. I am now 33 years old, I live in Kiev, Ukraine. I am a theoretical physicist by education. I am searching (up to this time with no evident success) for a relief from psoriasis from which I have been suffering since 18 (i.e., nearly a half of my life). Psoriasis is a skin disorder with no scientifically established causative agent and, therefore, no existent cure, although it is not life threatening. In regard to your story about your near-death experience and related spiritual thoughts, I also agree (although I have never been in such a condition). From my point of view, there is only one reliable source on the Earth that can give answers to these questions. The source is the Bible, since it provides the only historical evidence that describes the story of a man who could manage the death issue. If you would like to have some info in this regard, I can send it to you." Michael: "Concerning the bible. I used to be a Christian for 30 years until I opened my closed mind enough to receive the truth. Please read my 27 page report linked to at the end of my 2012 page (linked to from the index page)." Ivan: "In regard to the 2012 page and the Bible/protestant issues you touch, there are many points I cannot agree, although I like your open and bold style of thinking. I also have been a protestant (pentecostal) Christian for many years, and I also have a lot of questions as a physicist and as a logically thinking person. Nevertheless, during my progress in understanding God and the Bible I am more and more confident in the principles it teaches (although I still could not get relief from my skin condition). I also realized that when I think that the Bible is wrong it is myself who is really wrong, not the Bible. I agree that the Bible cannot be taken dogmatically and there are places that describe some personal opinions of the people who wrote them. In that case I used to refer to the direct citations to God's words. But from the other side the Bible is very self-consistent if studied in detail. We can discuss a lot about the theological issues you describe and passages where you point out some inconsistencies of the Bible. And, honestly speaking, I would not disprove some of your statements (although the major part of them can be easily disproved). And it is not really my part to do so. There are things I personally witnessed in my life that make me confident in the Bible even if there are some things I don't understand: Michael: "There are spiritual and mental powers we touch upon by praying and believing. Those are attributed to christian beliefs by christians, buddhist beliefs by buddhists, etc. Our interpretation and the reality of the energies are actually two separate things. When the blind man described the leg of an elephant as a tree that did not change the leg from being a leg although the blind man truly was experiencing it as a tree. What you have experienced is real and valid although you have interpreted it all thru the looking glass of the bible. think about it." Michael: "I have not forsaken God, just changed my concept concerning God. I still try to be spiritual and walk the good path that Jesus taught. I just don't believe in the doctrines that arose after Jesus died (virgin birth, Jesus as god, Jesus died for sins of the world). I use the bible itself to disprove Christianity. Apart from the false gospel of John these three doctrines have no basis for belief. Jesus never taught them, and the disciples in the book of Acts never taught them, and later Paul only taught the third one. The few sentences of Paul that seem to favor the first one have been proven as insertions by the copyists trying to establish their religious doctrine. Ivan: "As I wrote to you in my previous posts, it is not my task to prove or disprove something to you. The Bible itself can do that. Moreover, I will not be able to convince you while you ignore the Gospel of John and the letters of Paul. This is your selected glass of interpretation. As I mentioned for me the Gospel of John is the central book about Jesus. If you think that it is flawed, it's your right but I cannot find it logical, since your arguments to cast away John (as well as Paul) are too weak and they were evidently made with prejudice (which you do not disclose, however). The Bible without Jesus as God and resurrection has no sense and doing good has no sense either. Yes, you spent a huge amount of time on your research and you are qualified in the subject, but this research has no sense, since it does not produce any answer on the life questions. I would not defend the modern Christianity, since I see many drawbacks in it as well, but I will surely defend Jesus as God, since He is the milestone of my life. I know Him not only from the Bible, but I know Him from inside of myself as well. If there be some situation in your life and you decide to come back to Jesus as God, I would be happy to speak with you on the subject." Michael: "dear Ivan, Jesus himself denied being god. When someone called him "good teacher" he said "don't call me good because only God is good". In other words he was once again saying he was only a "son of man" (a normal human). Only John presents Jesus as god, which is another sign it is a rogue gospel in complete contradiction as how Jesus was depicted in Matthew, Mark and Luke. John was the last of the 4 gospels written, which means there was more time to twist the truth with fairy tales to agrandize the originator of the new movement. It almost was not included in the bible when they were deciding what should be included. Discrediting modern christianity does not leave one without direction in life. All you need is the words of Jesus in the first 3 gospels. Everything else is just interesting ideas for the restless mind that have nothing at all to do with how you treat your neighbor." ------------------------------------------------------------------- here's another brief exchange with another person: |